tv After Words with Seymour Hersh CSPAN November 7, 2016 7:55am-8:01am EST
federal reserve chairman alan greenspan. and this weekend bain capital co-founder edward conard argues that income inequality contributes to economic growth. >> those synergies were created gradually over time through successful risk taking that bubbled up from a pool of failed risk taking, so i think we always have the option of we can tax and distribute more in the short run, but we slow down the growth and in the long run look at the difference between the growth rate of the united states and europe, look at the difference between the income levels of the united states and japan. they get bigger and bigger and bigger, and the differences get bigger and bigger, and the ability for those countries to catch up now that they've fallen behind, it's unlikely that they can catch up unless we have a major shift in technology, say, to biology or something else besides really what i think we're heading towards consciousness with computers and the internet, and we have a big advantage that maybe we can't sustain forever be, but we
certainly have a big competitive advantage today. >> "after words" airs every saturday at 10 p.m. and sunday at 9 p.m. eastern. you can watch all previous afterwards or practice on our web site, booktv.org. >> when we confronted the pakistanis, we were with enraged at them. and, of course, their answer -- the whole point was they were going to look the other way, we were going to go take 'em out. we had to take the body out, and we were not going to talk about it. not for a week or ten days. it was all agreed, the president then would announce we had a drone raid, we do it all the time in the hindu kush mountains on the pakistani -- not on the -- on the afghan side, making clear it was on the afghan side, and we hid a house, and we did an after-action look and found the long, tall guy there. bin laden was 6-4, and we did dna and, my god, we got him. and that would have been just as good.
but that night, and i remember this vividly, because it was a sunday night here in washington. by 7:30 or 8, there were reports all over the media that the president has a special announcement to make, and by 10:00 there were stories it might have to do with bin laden, but he didn't go public until almost three hours after the first word, and what was going on was a fight because there was pressure on him, political pressure from his political advisers not to wait the seven or ten days. they were very angry at robert gates, the republican secretary of the defense, who gates had, if you remember, gates had been allowed to stay by -- he'd been appointed -- he replaced rumsfeld by george bush, and he was very close to the bush family, gates was. and when obama came in, he reappointed him. but two and a half years later, there was tension inside, a republican doing things -- and gates was very much against some of the things that happened in the operation. he thought we just should bomb the place and let it go and not jeopardize the sale seals
because if something had gone wrong, they had no protection. they were basically committing a war crime, and he was a prisoner of war, was the point. and they executed a prisoner of war. and they went into a country without any notice to the authorities. that's theoretically what happened. so anyway, here's what the issue was for gates, basically, and for me as a journalist: what's so important about pakistan? why do we have, spend so much time cozying up to the generals who run it? it's because they control more, right now -- when i wrote about it in the new york in 2009, it was more than 100 nuclear weapons, and we worry about their weapons, their safety. there's a huge muslim fundamentalist population in pakistan, and in fact, the reason that the pakistanis had never said anything publicly about having them since '06, isi found him in '06 which may or may not be correct. it could be earlier, i think it
might be. anyway, that's what the walk-in told us. the pakistanis kept him secretly because the public would go nuts. their public loved bin laden. many elements of the public, 50% you said 40% of the country saw him as a hero. and and so as long as they had bin laden, they could privately tell the al-qaeda and taliban groups in both pakistan and afghanistan, we've got your guy. pay more attention to us, keep us informed. they had more control. that was their argument. the second argument or explanation for keeping him is the saudis paid them a lot of money. you know, he's a saudi, he came from an elegant, very wealthy family, bin laden family in saudi arabia, big construction family. not royal family, but they were major constructionists in building, very wealthy. and the assumption we make and i make is that nobody wanted an american interrogation team to talk to him. >> you can watch this and other
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